| From: | Roberto Dean |
| Sent on: | Monday, August 23, 2010 8:51 AM |
1) Don't look at it by comparing relative costs because it
overlooks essential issues in the debate. Train proponents will argue
that there is no payback on roads but everyone uses them. They are vital to
commerce. Almost all our goods and services implicitly depend on roads and
highways. It's a cost effective means delivering goods and services unlike
rail. Can you imagine Best Buy or Sears delivering your new refrigerator,
washer and drier on the train? Businesses supplies a huge tax revenue stream
for government, and without roads businesses would not be able to survive. We
spend so much on roads because we have to, and mobility is essential to
prosperity and freedom.
2) Ridership will be insignificant enough where the subsidy is
much higher per mile than any road. Again, what business is going to depend on
the train.
3) Cost of ridership for Doyle's train will make it's use not
only inefficient, but cost prohibitive even with the proposed fare and subsidy.
4) Your friends argument is that by comparison it is not as much
money. Tell your friend to tell that to people like me that just had a huge
chunk taken from their annual salary. Then we'll ask him where we are expected
to get the money to pay for it. It is a total waste of resources. Government
has no business building wasteful legacy projects that will take people like me,
that are at the fringes of fiscal calamity and cast us of into bankruptcy. It's
never a good time to build a project like this, but now more than ever, not
only is it wasteful, it's selfish and shameful.
There are a zillion more arguments, and there are others that can
make a better case that I have. Go to the rail meeting tomorrow night. There is
so much you can learn.
Roberto
From:
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Of Aaron Childers
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:27 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [glennbeck-wi] Two Updates from Mike Thomsen re: Commuter
Rail Referendum
In discussing rail with a pinko
liberal friend of mine he said that
Wisconsin spent more than $1.1 billion last year just on highway rehabilitation
and maintenance. Then there was another $323 million on new highway
construction and major upgrades and more than $293 million on debt service
( I checked it out) http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/about/docs/budgettrends2008.pdf
Why is it that we must be so unified in opposition to rail in Wisconsin?
Because the price tag on rail doesn't really seem that large when compared to
anything but the cash in my pocket. Further, if we can indeed afford the
roads we build now, why so much in DOT debt service?
Can anyone help me out with some answers?!?!?!
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Kirsten L <[address removed]>
wrote:
Friends,
The following two messages from Mike Thomsen concern the
commuter rail/RTA. MIke has launched a rather interesting contest. I would
encourage you to participate. Also, he notes some important information about
upcoming meetings.
Kirsten
Begin forwarded message:
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Forwarded message #1 ----------
From: Mike Thomsen
Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:46 AM
Subject: Commuter Rail Referendum update - 1) Kathleen Falk's Reality, 2) photo
contest
To: Mike Thomsen
Dear Friends,
Thanks again for all of your hard work gathering signatures
and calling and writing Kathleen Falk, Scott McDonell, Matt Veldran, Dianne
Hesselbein and others who are doing their working day and night to keep our
commuter rail referendum off the November ballot. Remember that we are in Phase
2 of the petition drive and have until the September 16 county board meeting to
convince them that we need a referendum on the ballot in November. Key contact
info is at the end of this letter.
If you're written to Kathleen you've probably received a
reply similar to the one I've copied below. More or less, it says that the RTA
has to develop a "plan" for the voters to vote on and when this
"plan" is ready there will be a referendum.
Yesterday I attended the RTA meeting downtown at 3:00PM. Why
they held it at 3PM is a mystery to me (wink wink) but suffice it to say there
were only a small handful of the public at the meeting and all but me and Bill
Richardson seemed to be Trainiacs. Just 5 of the 9 RTA members attended
the meeting but this was enough to conduct business under their rules.
Kathleen says in her letter that the RTA is developing a
"plan" for us to vote on. My question for Kathleen is, How can 9
individuals none of whom are engineers or economists or transportation experts
of any sort possibly prepare a detailed "plan" especially if only 5
of the 9 bother to attend the meetings? It's incredible to me.
Yesterday's meeting focused on the "Principles for
Transit Plan". Dick Wagner presented a list of 10 principles (I don't know
who prepared these for him since he doesn't seem like a details sort of guy. I
can send these to you if you'd like to see them). NONE of the principles
involved explicitly the costs of building or operating a transit
"system". I raised my hand and suggested that they include a
statement on cost and subsidy in the principles but Mr Wagner shot that down
saying it was too early to know and that cost and the like would be part of the
financial analysis. I don't know who will conduct the financial analysis since
none of them are financial people capable of doing such a large analysis. And
they don't have the money to hire experts to prepare one more study.
What this all tells me is that the RTA plan Kathleen talks
about is a bad joke being played on us. The RTA members are political hacks
picked to fumble and bumble around for a while then recommend the Transport
2020 ( http://www.transport2020.net
) "plan" and try to bamboozle us with more illogical baloney about
how 4 trains all operating through the isthmus will move us one more step
toward Utopia.
PHOTO CONTEST
Let's have a photo contest to show just how good a job city
and county governments is doing their jobs here in Madison and Dane county. As
you go about your day you probably encounter dozens of examples of various
government agencies not doing their jobs well. The first one that comes to mind
to me is that enormous pot hole at the edge of the street by Vintage Pub on S
Whitney Way. I nearly lost a wheel in that two days ago. Get out your camera,
large and small, and photograph examples of government already not doing it's
job. Send those to me and I will find a way to post these so that viewers can
vote on their favorites. The winner will get something cool (but of no
substantial value).
Thanks for all of your help. Keep working and keep in touch!
Mike
PS attached is the Phase 2 petition with the new date of
September 14. Please get it to all of your family, friends and neighbors and
help build our network. We have until the September 16 county board meeting to
convince the county board that we need to vote on commuter rail in November.
If you want to be removed from my list please drop me a
line.
******************************
Kathleen Falk's reply to one of us:
"There is a lot of work to be done before any kind
of a regional transportation system proposal will be produced by the new RTA
for us to vote on: deciding the components and how they interconnect;
what state and federal funding is available; whether to create a sales
tax within the region that charges those who come to our area and utilize our
transportation system to mention a few. Several years ago it was myself
and the Madison Mayor who proposed a referendum -- and I continue to pledge my
support for a referendum -- to decide if a half-cent sales tax should occur to
implement a transportation system. My two appointees to the RTA have
pledged their commitment to hold a referendum before any sales tax is made by
the RTA; the RTA itself voted to hold a binding referendum before it decides if
a sales tax should be adopted."
********************************
Kathleen
Falk (county executive) [masked], [address removed]
Scott
McDonell (board chair) [masked], [address removed]
Matt
Veldran (public works committee) [masked], [address removed]
Dianne
Hesselbein (personnel & finance committee) [masked], [address removed]
--
Dane Advocates for Transportation Efficiency
in the 21st Century
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Forwarded message #2 ----------
from: Mike Thomsen
date: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM
subject: Commuter Rail Referendum - County Board meeting tonight August 19,
7:00PM & some progress
6:35 AM (1 hour ago)
Dear Friends,
Just a quick note to remind you of the Dane County Board meeting tonight August
19 at 7:00PM. The meeting is at the City County Building, 210 Martin Luther
King Jr Blvd.
The commuter rail referendum resolution is not on the agenda but I'm hoping
that it might be brought up at the end of the meeting. Trainiac chair of the
County Board Scott McDonell is in control of things so we'll just have to see.
I rec'd some indications that Matt Veldran may put the commuter rail referendum
on the agenda for the August 24 meeting of the Public Works committee. I will
know more by August 20. If he does put it on the agenda we will want to pack
the room to let them know in no uncertain terms that that vast majority of
people in Dane county want to vote on commuter rail in November. So please, be
prepared for a call to attend that committee meeting on the 24th.
Finally, here's a short letter one of us received from Scott McDonell after
writing to ask for the November referendum. It oozes with arrogance and anger
that we have dared to challenge him.
> The RTA is the entity with the power to levy a sales tax, not the county
> board, and it will call for a referendum when it has put together a plan
> with cost estimates. Buses will get the lion's share of any new tax,
but is
> conveniently left out of an referendum question posed by those who oppose
> transit. When there is a plan, there will be a vote. That is
what the RTA
> passed in their bylaws on a 7-0 vote. Thank you. Scott
So, the RTA will write a plan even though none are engineers or economist or
transportation experts of any kind. It's just not credible. And, buses will not
get the lion's share of the new sales tax. They will need all of the sales tax
and more to subsidize the commuter rail line.
Thanks for your hard work. We're making progress.
Mike
PS Please continue to gather signatures and writing and calling your
county board supervisors and elected officials.
Kathleen Falk (county executive) [masked], [address removed]
Scott McDonell (board chair) [masked], [address removed]
Matt Veldran (public works committee) [masked], [address removed]
Dianne Hesselbein (personnel & finance committee) [masked],[address removed]
and other county board supervisors We need to get this through all three
committees.
--
Dane Advocates for Transportation Efficiency
in the 21st Century
http://www.StopTheTrainTax.org
http://twitter.com/StopTheTrainTax
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